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We know primary PCI is a race against time  both for the  patient  and his  physician.

What is the upper limit for this unique race where the stakes  are high   and it involves  human lives  and  big  corporate  warfares  ?

  1. 6 hours
  2. 12 hours
  3. 24 hours
  4. 36 hours
  5. 54 hours
  6. Time does not matter . You can do a PCI as late as possible as long as  patient has sufficient insurance coverage and we have the expertise

Answer :

Please note there is  only one exception  . Cardiogenic  shock has been given a extended  lease of time window (Which can be technically up to  54 hours ) . PCI can be performed   if the onset of shock  is   within 36 hours  of STEMI  and to be performed within  18 hours after the onset ! )

* Even though we  have a  well set criteria for re-perfusion which bans primary PCI to be performed after 12 hours , cardiologists have enough technicalities to overcome this hurdle and keep doing the futile pPCI well after 12hours.

How they are   able to indulge in these futilities   without  any ethical issue ?

The answer  is very simple. Instead of calling it as primary PCI they refer to it as delayed PCI or rescue PCI !  Strict time specific guidelines are only for primary PCI . By changing the terminologies they   make a mockery of the concept of time window which  is vital for any intervention for STEMI !

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Before answering the above question ,  there need to be a correction to the question itself . PDA is persistence of ductus arteriosus . In pulmonary atresia ductus itself is not formed .So  the question should  ideally be  Why  ductus  is absent in pulmonary atresia  with VSD  !

Ductus  is formed from the dorsal portion of left 6th arch  .The sixth arch also gives raise to  right and left pulmonary artery.This can happen only if everything from aortic arch and pulmonary artery development is normal

Ductus  has to connect aorta with left pulmonary artery  , when pulmonary artery itself is  poorly developed or not developed   how can the  ductus  connect to  LPA ?

Pulmonary atresia is essentially a defect in the development of pulmonary arterial tree (Please note pulmonary valve and  MPA  is formed  from different  structures in different times and it  would  get  docked  with developing LPA,RPA  and  subsequently to the rest of the  pulmonary tree .)

In fact , one of the terminologies used for pulmonary atresia with VSD  is ,  total anomalous pulmonary arterial connection(TAPAC)  .In fetal    life,   blood flow in ductus is from RV  to  pulmonary artery  and then to  descending aorta  through the  ductus . When RV is disconnected with pulmonary artery( Rather there is no pulmonary artery )  ductus can not be  formed  for  both anatomical and physiological reasons . Some consider the  left 6th arch  in these patients  would become  a poorly   identifiable  minor Aorto pulmonary channel .

A Link to  3D vedio  of aortopulmonary collateral

Embryology of major aorto pulmonary collaterals.

  • The lung perfusion in patients with pulmonary atresia is important only after birth,  as fetal  lung is largely non functional.
  • In patients with pulmonary atresia with  intact IVS this becomes  critical and  usually death ensues unless intervened.
  • If VSD is present it allows the baby to survive as the  lung gets perfused by major or minor aortopulmonary collaterals.
  • These collaterals can range between extensive and   sparse.  Hence the  symptoms can  also vary from volume overload  /cardiac failure to  severe oiligemia  and recurrent  hypoxic spells.*

MAPCOS ,  if present can connect directly the aorta  to  hilar pulmonary artery or indirectly  from the branches of  aorta (subclavian /LIMA/RIMA etc) . These arteries  supply  with or without  a central confluence . It may enter the lung through the hilum or  away from hilum .The MAPCOS can be located anywhere from the arch of aorta to descending thoracic aorta.It is very rare in the ascending Aorta .

There is also  strong argument for MAPCOS are  nothing but dilated bronchial arteries.(Link to Full text )

*The  natural history  directly depends  on  extent of aorto pulmonary collaterals and its anatomical patency .

Final message

Embryologically   both  the  major  arteries of thorax  Aorta and Pulmonary artery have  the  same parent structure namely the dorsal aorta and its six  arches.Hence there  is no surprise  ,  when these embryological  divisions and fusions   goes awry ,   pulmonary artery fails to get  carved out from  the dorsal aorta  in the normal fashion .The randomly formed pulmonary  arteries continue  to have link  with   the parent -dorsal aorta .These are manifested in various ways as major aorto pulmonary collaterals .

(It is to be noted  in pulmonary atresia  , VSD is an offshoot developmental defect  . Embryologically  VSD   is not linked to the primary defect of pulmonary artery development . This is the reason many would consider   PA with VSD as a  distinct entity with that of TOF (Which is a cono truncal anomaly) This also explains the lack of MAPCOS in true TOF .

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When know   statins have  revolutionised  the management of  coronary artery disease , why  we  hesitate  to  say   the same thing    for  cerebro vascular disease ?

Is it because

       Atherosclerosis is different in  cerebrovascular disease   than coronary artery  disease

 or  Blood pressure control  becomes more important in preventing stroke than lipids?

Unlike  MI ,  Cerebro vascular system   have   variety of insults.

  • Embolic stroke
  • Thrombotic stroke
  • Ischemic stroke
  • Hemorrhagic stroke
  • Low flow – Water shed infarcts

Hemorrhagic , embolic and low flow mediated  myocardial infarction are very rare and  denova hemorrhagic MI is non existent.This is due  to  the fact ,  coronary autoregulation is  vastly different from cerebral vessels. Carotid plaque stabilisation  is a  major mechanism by which statins can prevent stroke . Still , statin  therapy( however aggressive)  has less impact  in the incidence  of stroke than MI.

This meta analysis claims statin to be very  effective  in prevention of ischemic stroke.

We have observed  ,simple statin administration without concomitant BP reduction has absolutely no effect on stroke prevention,   while  in  coronary  prevention even if the blood pressure optimisation is less than the desired levels,  significant number of  MI are still  prevented.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18187070

 The  SPARCL  trial  was big boost  for   statin   industry  in widening the Indication  for stroke prevention

 

Final message

Does statins remain a suspect in stroke prevention ?

If we  accept the  saying   ” Data won’t lie ” . .  . the suspicion  about  statins  is  a myth.

High dose Atorvastatin 80mg /day should be prescribed for every one with at high risk for ischemic stroke .

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A patient with  chest pain   is being rushed   into the ER  of  a medium sized cardiac facility in an urban county of India .The fellow briefs the senior consultant cardiologist about the arrival of  this  extensive anterior  STEMI  over phone.  The  consultant  enquires  about the “symptom to door time” and  was little concerned  when the fellow said ” it is only  2 hours sir”  .The fellow was amused with the consultant’s  reaction.

The consultant arrived in 15 minutes  and  began  the all important  discussion with the  patient  and his spouse  .(Meanwhile tablet clopidogrel and Aspirin was  loaded  per orally . Note : Heparin is not given yet )

Cardiologist : It is a  massive heart attack . One of your coronary artery  got  blocked suddenly , I have to remove the block at the earliest . There are  two ways of doing it .  One is fibrinolysis which lyses the clot .It can open up  your vessel  , though incompletely but would prevent myocardial damage  at the earliest .

The other one is PCI ,  which if performed rapidly  will completely  open up the vessel in question , what  we call TIMI 3 flow ,  But it has to be done within one hour.

Patient : Which is better doctor for me ?

Cardiologist : My cath lab  logistics  does not allow me to do a  PCI within the stipulated  time ,   still  I wish  to perform   a primary angioplasty  as i am not a believer  in thrombolysis !

So , even though you are  eligible for both modes of re- perfusion, in the strict sense doing a  PCI  which will  ultimately be  delayed  beyond the recommended time window  is technically contraindicated “

(Please  be notified : Currently , if the delay is during the procedure due to some technical issues after starting the procedure  or if the delay is at  the patient   level in arranging the required finance or insurance clearance it can be condoned without any ethical issues )

Patients spouse : Doctor please save my  husband . You  start  the fibrinolysis  every minute is risky isn’t doctor , and do the PCI once its ready doctor .

No . . . Fibrinolysis  does not combine well with PCI  in fact it will worsen the situation .   Thats what FINNESSE  study says . We can do only one of them . . . not both .

The patient and spouse (Terribly confused  by now )

Cardiologist:  By the way , what is  your insurance limit  sir ?

Patients spouse : Its 4 lakhs

Cardiologist : OK , that should be suffice  90 out of 100 times . Any way keep another lakh ready in case I need IABP.

Patient : My pain is worsening doctor at least relieve  my pain till this debate  is over !

(A patient’s relative  browses his  i phone  and argues  the  cardiologist   to administer streptokinase at the earliest . Suddenly  the patient family lobbies for fibrinolytic mode  empowered by the i phone guy )

One of them shouts “Please doctor you do something either take him inside cath lab or  start a fibrinolyitc therapy ”

How did the cardiologist  fight his way through ? ( He gulps a cup of coffee and  starts a fresh discussion)


Cardiologist : 
I am sorry , you have come too early  for PCI .  Guidelines do not allow me to choose PCI in the first hour  as our  anticipated delay for PCI is more than 3 hours . I wish you arrived after  the 3 hour window .

“Of course you are on time for thrombolysis”  which  unfortunately I am against !

Now, I am going to wait ( You may think it is a waste of time i call it as patient preparation time )  .This waiting period incidentally  allows us to cross  three  hour  time  window ,  then the issue of not lysing  does n’t creep in at all . A PCI done after 3 hours is not a race against time , while a PCI done early is like  a power play in cricket .

I do not know whether this delay which is happening  right now –  Intentional /Unintentional,  Scientific / unscientific reasons  would  damage your heart or not !

Since you have an extensive MI , I earnestly believe  with all my wisdom and knowledge, you will do well with primary PCI  even if  i do it  little late .  Please allow me to violate the standard criteria in the interest of your heart .

Cardiologist : I wonder , if you had arrived little late we wouldn’t be discussing this terrible conversation at all .Your myocardium  will also feel thrilled for getting a better mode of re-perfusion. You put me in an awkward situation by coming early !

Patient : But  . . . doctor every one  tells me ,  one should reach the hospital  after a heart attack  at the earliest  is it not ?   Please believe me doctor ,  I  made  extraordinary  efforts to  arrive early to your hospital , but you have put me on hold doctor !

Cardiologist :I agree  . . . but you won’t understand the modern jargons  in  interventional  cardiology ,  some times (Or is  it many times !) we will be doing the diagonally opposite to what  is   preached  in text books  .  Both intentional and unintentional delays are common  in the emergency cardiac  care . Do not bother about it   . . . science will take care of it !

Patient : You mean  . . . you are going to waste the golden hour in STEMI by simply arranging for cath lab staffs and machinery .

Cardiologist : You got the point right ! Just sit back enjoy the  flight !

Patient : Your wish is my wish doctor . Please handle with care doc !

* Please note this is an imaginary conversation ( Most often happens in silent mode !) in many of the cath labs which do not have 24 hour service. In a country  with  100 crore population like India ,  less than a dozen cathlabs  work round the clock . Guess  how often such a  situation would come in day to  day cardiology practice.



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Primary PCI (pPCI) is probably*  the   best modality in the management of STEMI .

( *Probably because ,    we  know “Time” ( fate !) is  still the  most crucial determinate of ultimate outcome of STEMI )

Any experienced interventional  cardiologist will be aware of the surprises  and difficulties  they encounter during primary PCI.

The pPCI  is all about  opening up the IRA rapidly and  wheel  out  the patient  from cath lab at the earliest.

But ,  ironically , an often  under- reported   issue  is the difficulty in  identifying IRA itself  !

One may wonder  , how this can happen ?

Following difficulties  can occur  in identifying IRA during  primary PCI*

(* There are some  hyper-talented  cardiologists who would never consider IRA recognition as an issue  .This article is not meant for them.)

The problems can range anything between the following   queries

  • Where is the IRA?
  • Is that the IRA?
  • No IRA ?
  • Multiple IRAs !

Angiographic encounters during  pPCI  and  IRA  trouble shooting .

  • When there is diffuse multivessel disease.
  • Thrombus vs  eccentric plaque  both  showing  intra luminal filling defect .
  • Thrombus spill over to adjacent branch or A mid LAD lesion with  stagnating thrombus extending to LCX ostium  mimicking two IRA
  • A bifurcation lesion with both LAD and LCX  ostial occlusion.
  • Multiple active looking  plaques with thrombus
  • STEMI in patients with preexisting CAD . Is it a CTO ?  ATO ? (Acute total occlusion ) A  CTO  ,which is  fed by collaterals from contralateral artery  ,  if this feeding vessel is  occluded even  partially ,  STEMI will occur in CTO territory . Here  , for rapid salvage you need to open the vessel that feeds the CTO territory.
  • Post CABG and post PCI form a special subset . Some times it is very difficult or even impossible   to label a graft as an IRA

Finally and most importantly  , when  there is no visible lesion in any of the coronary arteries   and look  near normal  !   Is that  no IRA  ?  or Wrong diagnosis of STEMI ?  Every one blinks  in cath lab . The consultant  howls the fellow to verify the ECG . Finally it may  well turn out to be an early  repolarisation  syndrome . These are wages we  often pay for the modernity !

How to approach  the situation when one is confused with  identifying the IRA ?

The good old ECG will come to  our  rescue sometimes. Realise in a multivessel CAD  , ECG is also vested with errors.

Echocardiography  rarely  gives a convincing answer to localise IRA. (Segmental overlap , preserved sub epicardial  contraction , residual ischemia all tend to confound )

Most confusions occur between LAD and  diagonal /LCX as there can be a huge overlap in the ECG territory  anterolateral segments

In a infero posterior STEMI, if  you have both  RCA  / LCX lesion and you wonder which  is the IRA  it is easy to solve by looking for RV involvement. (LCX lesions however dominant they are  . 99/100 times can not infarct the RV significantly  !)

If the lesion  is in PDA  the  issue is made simple.

Doing a primary PCI  blindly without knowing the IRA

This is  modern-day cardiology  at its scientific  low ! . Cardiologists  indulge in such  things much more commonly than one would imagine.

Probably  they would reason ,  it is safe to stent every vessel that is potentiality  an  IRA  , rather than  missing it. Though the concept of  multivessel stenting in STEMI   may help   patients with complicated MI ,  like pump failure ,  it generally increases   risk of primary PCI outcome in otherwise stable STEMI. Primary PCI procedure must be as short as possible. The other option is to do plain balloon angioplasty in less deserving vessels.

Important considerations  in the setting of complex multivessel CAD  during pPCI .

  1. Fall back on medical therapy
  2. Staged PCI
  3. Deferred or Immediate CABG
  4. Hybrid procedures like PCI  with CABG

Final message

IRA identification can  indeed be a difficult task  during primary PCI.  Sound knowledge and experience about coronary anatomy and its draining territories especially  in  the setting  of  multivessel  CAD  is essential to avoid errors.

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Do you fear to deploy DES during primary PCI ?

  1. No. Not at all !
  2. May be  “Yes”
  3. Yes, definitely
  4. It depends upon which drug it Elutes !

Answers  that might  decode  the  cardiologist  mind. ( Excuse me  if it errs !)

If the answer is 1 ,  You are the most optimistic cardiologist  and scientifically  updated ,   data driven  cardiologist , and with little concern for the patient welfare.

If the answer is 2 , Your are a cautious cardiologist may be . . . may be . . .  an   ideal one . The chances of you , using a  DES is  still low in  STEMI.

If the answer is 3 , You are a pessimist and  with   anti technology thoughts but still you  have more concern  for  your patients!

If your answer is 4 ,  You are undecided  and probably  ignorant as well . Most likely   you would not use it  for some reason  .You need to read more  on the topic .

By the way , my answer is  response three.

Read further ,  the EXAMINATION trial just released in ESC 2011 Paris .

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Left ventricular hypertrophy (LVH) is the most common structural abnormality of the heart. Hypertension and LVH are close associates . Still ,not every one with HT develop LVH .  So,  there  obviously  is a missing link . Similarly , diabetes  in the company of   hypertension  love to  target the  heart muscle with more vigour .  The  incidence of LVH  can be near  100%  when DM  join hands with HT.

So, what is the secret ?

Sustained elevation of afterload  due to high BP   inflate the myocyte ,  result  in myocyte hypertrophy , which is more of a physiological response.  The diabetes mellitus  adds some spice to the hypertensive LVH.

Diabetes causes glycation of  myocyte cell membrane  proteins . This  opens the  flood gates  and  the  cell permeability barrier vanishes. Hence there is exudate collect in the  cardiac interstitium. This is  equivalent to diabetic microangiopathy seen in retina and  kidneys.

There is  well established link between diabetic LVH and microalbuminuria  , suggesting  a  protein  leak  equivalent  in   heart  (Myocardial proteinuria)  . The only difference  here  , is the  protein leaks into the interstitium   instead of  renal  tubules  .  As we know interstitial leak is a  powerful  stimulant for   fibrotic reaction and  new cell growth. Fibroblasts in combination with extracellular matrix  and macropahges form  a rigid  and timid myocardium . If the patient is also a dyslipidemic(  which is usually the case !)  the leaked LDL , TGL adds to the chaos .

Pathological  effects of  diabetic LVH

  • Increased LV mass
  • Early LA enlargement
  • Early diastolic dysfunction
  • Prevent regression of LVH  even after good BP control

Can  diabetes per se cause LVH without Hypertension ?

Yes .this is also possible , but it  is less recognised.Diabetic LVH  can be a part of generalised organomegaly seen.(Right from the days of fetus diabetes has a  tendency to increase solid  viscera  size –  Large babies in  diabetic mothers , diabetic kidneys rarely shrink !)

Other factors that are related to LVH in diabetes include

  • Female Gender
  • Insulin resistance
  • The lipid connection – Hypertriglyceridmia is linked to LVH

Can tight blood sugar control reverse diabetic LVH ?

We hope so . It may not happen in real life .it depends upon the extent of interstitial invasion of abnormally glycated proteins.

Can echocardiography identify diabetic LVH from hemodynamic LVH of SHT ?

The diabetic LVH is fundamentally different in that ,  the classical septal hypertrophy is uncommon, instead the overall LV mass is increased .This is logical,  as septal LVH is more often reflect hemodynamic stress .

Diabetes  infested myocardium   bright echoes arise  from within . This is due to reflection from  interstitial  proteins.

The newer modalities of echocardiography  like integrated back scattering  analysis can characterise  tissues.

Tissue doppler  myocardial spectral analysis  can identify LVH contributed by DM..

Final  message.

What we know about LVH ,  is far less than we do not know !  , especially when  a patient has a combination of DM and HT. The interaction between them  is so intimate ,  we fail to recognise individual contribution to the process. If only we decode this  mystery , we can intervene better in the  pathological progress of  LVH.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/28/9/2255.full

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 Inter atrial septum(IAS)  is a delicate structure , formed by a  “curious IAS  embryological process”  , when  two septums ,  two ostiums  cross each  other .They  fold  and unfold  like  curtains  in different times ,  ultimately result in a  single membrane separating LA and RA  with a  central physiological   hollowness called foramen  ovale .

All along this process ,  blood has to shunt  from  RA to LA  untill the baby comes out ,  when the direction reverses that  result in the flap  of foramen ovale locking  against the septum secundum with raising LA pressure . So , basically the genesis of  IAS is all  about growing,   resorbing  and  sticking of two septums . This starts in utero and continues well after birth. One can imagine  complexity of  the factors that determine the thickness of IAS.

The IAS thickness varies between 2mm to 4  mm . With increasing use of trans esophageal echocardiography and also the need for cardiologists to puncture the IAS , it is becoming important to study the anatomy of IAS in detail.

A new  cause of  thickened IAS  is reported recently .

 This is refered to as Double Inter atrial septum,  fused like a sandwich  with a  potential space  in between  .

The embryological basis is not clear. (A septum primum and secundum fusion ?)

The PFO   is an  oblique orifice in many .It is some times refered to as tubular PFO . A large tubular PFO can mimic a double IAS.

An  aneurysm of IAS  may get  fused to appear like a double septum

or Is it  IAS dissection which  give an appearance like double IAS ?

Personal perspective

  • It is very difficult to embryologically  explain the concept of double IAS .  I would think  , it is  double layer  of single embryological  septum   with a  potential  space  in between .
  • It is possible an intra mural hematoma (Spontaneous or acquired ) may cleave the septal plane and mimic a double IAS   when the   thrombus gets dissolved later.

Other causes of thick IAS

Septal thickness an issue during transeptal puncture . During PTMC and left heart catheterization a thick septum may be a hurdle.

Infiltrative  myopathies especially amyloidosis is known for a very thick non -puncturable IAS  

Reference

1.http://ejechocard.oxfordjournals.org/content/9/5/707.full

2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16950474?dopt=Abstract

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Left atrial clot is a  traditional contraindication for performing PTMC.  This rule was formed in the early days of PTMC.

PTMC  recently celebrated  its 25th birth day .  In India  it was  first  done by   GB Pant hospital by  Kallilulah in early 1980s.

Now most  centers  do it  routinely   like a diagnostic angiogram.  Even fellows can do it  with ease. (If allowed !)

We have learnt  the nuances  of septal puncture , maneuvering the transpetal needle and  the balloon  catheter  within the LA in the last two decades.it is also becoming clear  how the IAS anatomy  behaves in various LA and RA sizes  and pressures . So , the experts (Read again         . .  .experts !)  have relaxed the rule of the PTMC game !

PTMC  can safely be  done  if the LA   clot is confined to  the appendage  .Even clots  abutting just  out of LAA appendage  may  be tried if you have the expertise  akin to  Dr Manjunath and  his team  from the garden city of India .(Jayadev  institute ,  Bangalore probably has the largest  talent  pool for PTMC , In fact  they have  classified the LA clot according to size and location .)  Read the reference below.

If a cardiologist  is allowed to meddle the LA  filled with clot ,  why not a surgeon  do  a CMC   in the presence of LA clot ?

I believe old generation surgeons did it. I am told few surgeons  have specail talents to deliver LA clot off pump and complete a successful CMC   with lateral thoracotomy .  Fresh un organised clot can be flushed out of LA .
But currently doing a CMC  with LA clot is considered unscientific . Further  surgeons  often consider CMC as an inferior Job .They love to go on pump  and replace mitral valve with a  slightest provocation .  It need  be realised a half functional native  valve  is at any time   better than an artificial valve . In  developing countries    CMC  would make lot of sense when we confront with small LAA clots . One can do 5 CMCs at the cost of one mitral valve . Surgeons comments are welcome.

 

What  will happen  if LA cot gets accidentally dislodged ?

A stroke  or a systemic vascular event may occur  , but it depends upon the embolus size .Up to 2mm clot  debri can easily cross the cerebral  microcirculation and escape a major stroke.Showers of micro emboli can cause a lacunar infarct or vascular dementia.

By the way ,  I am curious to know what will happen to  these  clots after successfully  opening the mitral valve by         PTMC*  ?

PTMC can not be claimed as a cure  as long as the patient harbors the clot in a precarious location . So it  needs intensive oral anticoagualtion (or even heparin ) and many times we have observed these small clots disappear .

*Logic would  suggest an LA clot  with a  closed  mitral  valve  could be  much safer ! many times we have seen large LA clots struggle to get past the mitral valve because of critical stenosis.

A video of mobile LV clot from our institute . http://www.youtube.com/user/venkatesanreddi#p/u/40/zHdPtm32YZQ

Here there is no chance of PTMC ,  however good you are !

Future innovations

  • Distally  protected PTMC
  • Either you should trap it and remove it or desiccate it into minor particles.
  • Basket in root of aorta to capture  the clot in transit   may be a good  concept to try.

What  happens to LA clot following long term oral anticoagulations ?

Most disappear according to a study from JIPMER , Pondicherry , India .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14686666

Excellent PTMC  data   from Pakistan and Sudan

If you want to learn about PTMC  please note  the experts are not  in Cleveland clinic  or  from Great ormond  street

they are from the remote third world locations .

http://www.sudjms.net

http://www.ayubmed.edu.pk

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How common is edema legs in diastolic heart failure ?

  1. Can not occur.
  2. As common as systolic failure
  3. Can occur in significant number.
  4. Rare.

Answer : 4

Response  3  may be  correct as well .

When cardiac failure was originally defined by Framingham criteria many decades ago , the entity of diastolic heart failure was non existent .The classical  triad of edema legs, raised JVP, basal rales invariably meant systolic ,  congestive hart failure. We will , never ever know how many of the Framingham cohort had isolated diastolic  heart failure .

Mechanism

For edema to occur there need to be water and sodium retention .For  sodium and water to accumulate either of the two things should happen (Hypoprotienemia, Lymphatic dysfunction excluded)

  • Increased venous pressure
  • Reduced renal clearing of water and salt.

When both join together edema is classical and full blown.

In isolated LV diastolic  heart failure the raise in systemic venous pressure is less pronounced .So ,  edema legs is less conspicuous. but in any type of failure  the net cardiac index tend to decline at least marginally . Kidneys are the first organ to sense this , and the nephrons  goes for  a huddle and begin to retain sodium and water as if body is going to face severe water and salt scarcity .(It is a false alarm actually ! )

Neuro humoral mechanism is   “Alive and well”   in any heart failure whether it is  systolic diastolic , forward ,backward  etc. so  , edema  can indeed occur  in isolated diastolic heart failure

Please note ,  the classical edema  that occur in restrictive cardiomyopathy , constrictive  pericarditis  are due to severe  impediment  to right sided filling and  elevated the lower limb venous  pressure .

Other important determinants of edema legs.

  1. The baseline renal function.
  2. Intra vascular volume status.
  3. The associated  HT induced vascular  changes.
  4. Serum protein  levels.
  5. Venous tone.(A good venous pump   in conditioned  legs develop edema late )
  6. Integrity of lymphatic circulation.
  7. Subcutaneous fat  density and interstitial tissue resistance.

All can modify the local hydro static pressure .These factors operate in various quantum’s  and for this  reason only selcted few develop  significant  edema in cardiac failure .

Also  read  . Why some patients  with cardiac failure never develops edema legs ?

* Please note , the terms diastolic dysfunction and failure can not be used interchangeably. Dysfunction is often a  echo parameter while   failure is its  clinical counterpart .Both can be dissociated in time ,   failure may never follow dysfunction .Most episodes of diastolic dysfunction is transitory   in nature.

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